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		<title>By: valueireland</title>
		<link>http://www.valueireland.com/2009/03/ideascampaign-is-it-really-that-good-of-an-idea-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-1413</link>
		<dc:creator>valueireland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 21:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Paul - yes, this was highlighted to me a couple of times by other readers.

I&#039;ve had enough really of this Ideas Campaign. They&#039;re manipulating the media by utilising their connections, and as you point out, by bringing in people like Ernst &amp; Young, they&#039;re just giving the usual &quot;in crowd&quot; a way to get directly to the Cabinet table.

Think of it.

Given the Anglo fiasco, Ernst &amp; Young are probably likely to get short shrift from the Government.

How better to rehabilitate themselves than to become involved in a so-called &quot;grass roots&quot; campaign?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paul &#8211; yes, this was highlighted to me a couple of times by other readers.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had enough really of this Ideas Campaign. They&#8217;re manipulating the media by utilising their connections, and as you point out, by bringing in people like Ernst &#038; Young, they&#8217;re just giving the usual &#8220;in crowd&#8221; a way to get directly to the Cabinet table.</p>
<p>Think of it.</p>
<p>Given the Anglo fiasco, Ernst &#038; Young are probably likely to get short shrift from the Government.</p>
<p>How better to rehabilitate themselves than to become involved in a so-called &#8220;grass roots&#8221; campaign?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.valueireland.com/2009/03/ideascampaign-is-it-really-that-good-of-an-idea-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-1401</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 19:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see that Anglo-Irish Auditors Ernst &amp; Young are on the Ideas campaign Advisory group so big confidence on costings front then!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that Anglo-Irish Auditors Ernst &amp; Young are on the Ideas campaign Advisory group so big confidence on costings front then!</p>
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		<title>By: FP</title>
		<link>http://www.valueireland.com/2009/03/ideascampaign-is-it-really-that-good-of-an-idea-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-1121</link>
		<dc:creator>FP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 12:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it&#039;s &#039;by citizens, for citizens&#039;, as O&#039;Toole claims, then surely the ideas should be published. 
It&#039;s quite jarring to experience the site and see the &#039;Add Your Idea&#039; link with no corresponding &#039;See The Ideas&#039; option.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s &#8216;by citizens, for citizens&#8217;, as O&#8217;Toole claims, then surely the ideas should be published.<br />
It&#8217;s quite jarring to experience the site and see the &#8216;Add Your Idea&#8217; link with no corresponding &#8216;See The Ideas&#8217; option.</p>
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		<title>By: le craic</title>
		<link>http://www.valueireland.com/2009/03/ideascampaign-is-it-really-that-good-of-an-idea-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-1116</link>
		<dc:creator>le craic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 15:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Little explains how Aileen O&#039;Toole came to launch the campaign on Prime Time.

&quot;Aileen called me to see if we might launch her campaign where it started: in the Prime Time studio.&quot;

I really don&#039;t see government hands in this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Little explains how Aileen O&#8217;Toole came to launch the campaign on Prime Time.</p>
<p>&#8220;Aileen called me to see if we might launch her campaign where it started: in the Prime Time studio.&#8221;</p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t see government hands in this.</p>
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		<title>By: valueireland</title>
		<link>http://www.valueireland.com/2009/03/ideascampaign-is-it-really-that-good-of-an-idea-for-you/comment-page-1/#comment-1114</link>
		<dc:creator>valueireland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 01:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:-) le craic - And I do love my conspiracy theories. Did you hear the one about the landing on the moon and 9-11?

I hadn&#039;t seen that piece by Mark Little. Is this even related to IdeasCampaign - it strikes me as just work they might have done for the Prime Time programme, otherwise I wonder why none of this was covered anywhere on the IdeasCampaign site?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://www.valueireland.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  le craic &#8211; And I do love my conspiracy theories. Did you hear the one about the landing on the moon and 9-11?</p>
<p>I hadn&#8217;t seen that piece by Mark Little. Is this even related to IdeasCampaign &#8211; it strikes me as just work they might have done for the Prime Time programme, otherwise I wonder why none of this was covered anywhere on the IdeasCampaign site?</p>
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		<title>By: le craic</title>
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		<dc:creator>le craic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 22:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just to add to the above - that it may well turn out that your theory is correct - I&#039;m a bit naive maybe when it comes to politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just to add to the above &#8211; that it may well turn out that your theory is correct &#8211; I&#8217;m a bit naive maybe when it comes to politics.</p>
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		<title>By: le craic</title>
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		<dc:creator>le craic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 22:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know - this sounds a bit like conspiracy theory stuff - more like the terms and conditions were a cut and paste from some US website. I think the terms and conditions aspect needs to be addressed though and all ideas be published. 

Have you seen Mark Little&#039;s piece at

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0306/powertothepeople.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know &#8211; this sounds a bit like conspiracy theory stuff &#8211; more like the terms and conditions were a cut and paste from some US website. I think the terms and conditions aspect needs to be addressed though and all ideas be published. </p>
<p>Have you seen Mark Little&#8217;s piece at</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0306/powertothepeople.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0306/powertothepeople.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: valueireland</title>
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		<dc:creator>valueireland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Robert Browne - Many thanks for your detailed comments. I think we&#039;re pretty much in agreement at the rights individuals would be giving up by submitting their ideas in their good faith to a website which doesn&#039;t reciprocate such good faith (in its actions, unlike its touchy feely stated goodness).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have a theory about the RTE PrimeTime, and Morning Ireland, involvement. According to Maman Poulet, the Government Press Office is putting serious pressure on RTE to cut down on the negativity and to big up any positivity they can. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, if Fianna Fail were to decide, with their new American website developers/political strategists, that an IdeasCampaign (that specifically blocks out whingers) would be a good idea, I guess pressure from the Press Office on RTE could feasibly have meant a launch of a website could take place 
on PrimeTime - instead of Tubridy Tonight or The Late Late Show as would have been the case in days gone by.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;@le craic - I&#039;ve seen your comments on &lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://www.gavinsblog.com/2009/03/06/ideas-campaign/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Gavins Blog&lt;/a&gt; as well. I can see where you&#039;re original optimism came from - and the optimism of many when they first hear of this IdeasCampaign - and to be honest, it&#039;s something that I would share in personally as well. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As an avid reader of Michael Lewis, I always think back to his book from way back in 2000,
&lt;a target=&quot;_blank&quot; href=&quot;http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Thing-Youve-Never-Changed/dp/0340766999/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1236461615&amp;sr=8-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; The New New Thing&lt;/a&gt;. In this, he wondered where the next big thing was going to come from - we&#039;d already had the age of computers and the age of the internet. He was wondering where the next boom money making business was going to come from. He didn&#039;t really realise at the time that the new new thing in 
2000 was going to be international global finance.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And now that that&#039;s gone, we&#039;re back in the position where that book becomes relevant again - and particularly in an Irish perspective. The whole country is crying out for the new new Irish thing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And that&#039;s why it&#039;s so disappointing that the IdeasCampaign is preying on that desperation. As you saw from Thursday night on Twitter, the main thing that struck me was the fact that they weren&#039;t immediately sharing the submitted ideas. The terms and conditions served to increase my scepticism about the whole thing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If my guess is correct about who&#039;s behind all this, then the original inclusion of the word &quot;sell&quot; with regards to the T&#039;s &amp; C&#039;s would tie in completely since as far as I know, that would be a relatively American angle to take. Certainly, to my mind, any individual who may have set up such a website with the originally stated noble intentions of Aileen O&#039;Toole would have had other things on their mind with regards to the proposal rather than ensuring they captured sales rights to any ideas submitted.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Robert Browne &#8211; Many thanks for your detailed comments. I think we&#8217;re pretty much in agreement at the rights individuals would be giving up by submitting their ideas in their good faith to a website which doesn&#8217;t reciprocate such good faith (in its actions, unlike its touchy feely stated goodness).</p>
<p>I have a theory about the RTE PrimeTime, and Morning Ireland, involvement. According to Maman Poulet, the Government Press Office is putting serious pressure on RTE to cut down on the negativity and to big up any positivity they can. </p>
<p>So, if Fianna Fail were to decide, with their new American website developers/political strategists, that an IdeasCampaign (that specifically blocks out whingers) would be a good idea, I guess pressure from the Press Office on RTE could feasibly have meant a launch of a website could take place<br />
on PrimeTime &#8211; instead of Tubridy Tonight or The Late Late Show as would have been the case in days gone by.</p>
<p>@le craic &#8211; I&#8217;ve seen your comments on <a target="_blank" href="http://www.gavinsblog.com/2009/03/06/ideas-campaign/" rel="nofollow"> Gavins Blog</a> as well. I can see where you&#8217;re original optimism came from &#8211; and the optimism of many when they first hear of this IdeasCampaign &#8211; and to be honest, it&#8217;s something that I would share in personally as well. </p>
<p>As an avid reader of Michael Lewis, I always think back to his book from way back in 2000,<br />
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Thing-Youve-Never-Changed/dp/0340766999/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1236461615&#038;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow"> The New New Thing</a>. In this, he wondered where the next big thing was going to come from &#8211; we&#8217;d already had the age of computers and the age of the internet. He was wondering where the next boom money making business was going to come from. He didn&#8217;t really realise at the time that the new new thing in<br />
2000 was going to be international global finance.</p>
<p>And now that that&#8217;s gone, we&#8217;re back in the position where that book becomes relevant again &#8211; and particularly in an Irish perspective. The whole country is crying out for the new new Irish thing.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s why it&#8217;s so disappointing that the IdeasCampaign is preying on that desperation. As you saw from Thursday night on Twitter, the main thing that struck me was the fact that they weren&#8217;t immediately sharing the submitted ideas. The terms and conditions served to increase my scepticism about the whole thing.</p>
<p>If my guess is correct about who&#8217;s behind all this, then the original inclusion of the word &quot;sell&quot; with regards to the T&#8217;s &amp; C&#8217;s would tie in completely since as far as I know, that would be a relatively American angle to take. Certainly, to my mind, any individual who may have set up such a website with the originally stated noble intentions of Aileen O&#8217;Toole would have had other things on their mind with regards to the proposal rather than ensuring they captured sales rights to any ideas submitted.</p>
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		<title>By: le craic</title>
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		<dc:creator>le craic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 20:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Been thinking a lot more about it and the terms and conditions are bothering me now - I&#039;d like the group to clarify the reasons for it - and also, for transparancy, to have all ideas published.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Been thinking a lot more about it and the terms and conditions are bothering me now &#8211; I&#8217;d like the group to clarify the reasons for it &#8211; and also, for transparancy, to have all ideas published.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Browne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Browne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 02:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ideas are intended by people who post them to be of benefit to members of the public.  Therefore the Act of posting them should have the effect of putting the ideas into the Public Domain, full stop. The ideas should then be available to anyone who is interested to try them out.  Be they whacky, serious or just good ideas. 

This happens with Public Domain Software where &quot;source code&quot; can be used by anyone without fear of being sued. 

All this legal jargon, is a subterfuge, for someone or some group gaining control over other peoples ideas. 

Presumably, It is not the intention of people who post ideas, to simply, hand over control of the ideas to the people who claim to be &quot;operating&quot; the site as a public service.

If that were to happen, you are talking about people franchising other peoples ideas!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ideas are intended by people who post them to be of benefit to members of the public.  Therefore the Act of posting them should have the effect of putting the ideas into the Public Domain, full stop. The ideas should then be available to anyone who is interested to try them out.  Be they whacky, serious or just good ideas. </p>
<p>This happens with Public Domain Software where &#8220;source code&#8221; can be used by anyone without fear of being sued. </p>
<p>All this legal jargon, is a subterfuge, for someone or some group gaining control over other peoples ideas. </p>
<p>Presumably, It is not the intention of people who post ideas, to simply, hand over control of the ideas to the people who claim to be &#8220;operating&#8221; the site as a public service.</p>
<p>If that were to happen, you are talking about people franchising other peoples ideas!</p>
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