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Tesco price cuts – is it all good?

Diarmuid MacShane

May, 2009

Diarmuid MacShane

Tesco Price Cuts

We’ll all have been delighted to hear this week that Tesco have dropped their prices in stores close to the border. In 11 of these stores, prices will have dropped by 22% on average – permanently according to Tesco themselves.

It’s just a pity that Tesco haven’t done the same across all their Irish stores.

But then again, most of the Irish Tesco stores weren’t losing business to Asda and Sainsburys in Newry and other Northern Irish towns.

So, when you hear Tesco telling us that they’re dropping their prices in the interests of the Irish consumer, you should really know that it’s because those 11 stores were losing huge amounts of business – and as I’ve always said should happen, when business start losing money, they’ll either drop their prices to attract customers back, or else they’ll close down.

Many stores have closed down recently, so it’s good to see Tesco trying something else.

My only concern now is that we’re unlikely to see these price cuts implemented across the country – unless we consumers use our buying power to let them know we’re not happy with the prices their charging everywhere, and not just close to the border.

Price Cuts from SuperValue. Big deal?

We received this e-mail from a ValueIreland.com reader about the “special offers” currently being promoted in store by SuperValu:

I think this is a shocking ploy by Super Valu to fool parents into buying babyfood products from them. The biggest discount they offer in their display is 10 cent on €4.39 – about 2%

The smalllest discount is 2 cent on €0.811. The mean, devious, rotten shower, fumbling in the greasy till and adding the half cent to the cent…
Check it all out here: http://choosepurple.com/supervalu/
Just goes to show you – just because someone tells us that there’s a special offer, or that something is on sale, doesn’t always mean  that we’re getting something cheaper or that we’re getting value for money.
Check the small print if you’re not familiar with the prices to make sure that you’re actually getting a bargain.

Silly Surveys Skirt Real Issues

Irish News of the World

February 15th, 2009

Diarmuid MacShane

Silly Surveys Skirt Real Issues

I see the National Consumer Agency are still carrying out farcical surveys. This month they told us about price differences between the big supermarkets and completed missed the real story – that everyone’s still RAISING prices.

From December 2007, until last month, Tesco, Dunnes Stores and SuperQuinn all jacked up their prices – Tesco by 4.9%, Dunnes by 3.5%, SuperQuinn by 2.8%.

At a time when demand and prices are generally falling in Ireland, our supermarkets are INCREASING their prices by nearly 5%.

All consumers really care about is the fact that grocery prices are going up everywhere – not the relative differences between each.

The truth is, a couple of grocery price sureys by the NCA every year aren’t having any impact on that rising trend. Get your act together.

Latest National Consumer Agency Grocery Survey – the real story

In the light of much criticism for the pointless nature of carrying out grocery pricing surveys, the National Consumer Agency still proceeds with these farcical surveys.

This months one, as referred to by Conor Pope on Wednesday evening, has not a whole lot new to tell us. The headline points from the NCA press release tells us the following points:

* Price difference between multiples widens on basket of branded goods
* Gap between discounters and multiples narrows on own brand goods
* Aldi and Lidl price difference shrinking

Hidden down at the bottom of the press release is the detail of what the headline should be – Grocery Prices Increase across all main grocery stores:

Examining the period from December 2007 to January 2009, aggregate prices in separate baskets for Tesco, Dunnes and Superquinn all recorded an increase. Tesco recorded the largest increase (4.9%), Superquinn (2.8%) the smallest increase. Dunnes recorded an increase of 3.5%.

In a time when demand and prices are generally falling in Ireland, our supermarkets are upping their prices by up to nearly 5%. And the previous darlings of Ann Fitzgerald – Aldi and Lidl – are even at it when it comes to own brand products:

Over the period December 2007 to January 2009, separate baskets for Aldi, Lidl, Dunnes and Tesco all became more expensive. Tesco’s basket recorded the largest increase at 9.3%, Dunnes the smallest increase at 4.1%. Aldi recorded an increase of 4.2% and Lidl an increase of 4.7%.

Who cares, really, about the relative differences between supermarket pricing – all that consumers will really care about is the fact that grocery prices are universally increasing. And a couple of grocery price surveys by the NCA every year isn’t having any impact on that rising trend.

Can we expect Tesco special offers in Ireland shortly?

Sky News Online yesterday reported that “Tesco is launching a £100m price cutting campaign as the supermarket pricing war hots up”. According to the story:

The store giant also said it was launching an advertising campaign comparing the cost of customers’ baskets of shopping against the prices of its competitors. The move comes after Asda announced a wave of discounts on thousands of items. And now Tesco says the prices of a range of staple goods will be cut this month.

The whole grocery pricing issue here in Ireland seems to have died a death – or has everyone just shut up and gone to Newry.

It’s September since the last National Consumer Agency grocery survey, which told us nothing since the previous survey in February. So I suppose that means we’re due another survey from them to tell us that, AGAIN, Dunnes Stores, Superquinn and Tesco are all priced within 7c of each other on a basket of goods, and that Aldi and Lidl are cheaper, and Centra and Supervalue are more expensive.

Given that inflation has dropped recently, overall prices may have dropped since the last survey, but will we see any change in the supermarket faux-competitive status quo?

Latest National Consumer Agency Grocery Survey

I’ve nothing really to say on this latest survey – there was nothing new in February after the last survey, and nothing new this time around either. All we’re really seeing now is the NCA continuing to drive the grocery prices bandwagon – doing pricing surveys is a lot easier than confronting other organisations about their misleading of Irish consumers.
What I would like to know though, about the most recent survey, is why it was actually done at all on the particular day in question? Dunnes Stores had a 10% off weekend offer running on the day in question – surely something like that made the survey a little pointless by distorting the findings?
It’d be funny if Dunnes Stores knew that the survey was happening that weekend – there’s an interesting comparison between their 10% off weekend on the day of the survey and their appearance at the top of the comparisons between it, Tesco, Superquinn, SuperValu, Spar and Centra.

National Consumer Agency Surveys – tell us something we don’t know

Right! Let’s get one thing out of the way here. I don’t think we needed the fuckers* to tell us last week that things were cheaper in Northern Ireland relatively speaking than they are down here. We’ve been travelling north for our shopping in our droves. We’ve been stocking up on our Christmas treats and booze, and our all year round weekly shopping in Newry, and Derry, and Enniskillen and all points just over the border for years. Did we really need our National Consumer Agency to spend our money on a survey to tell us what we already knew?

I had this composed immediately after the initial press release and newspaper coverage, but I decided to hold fire just in case something different happened after this recent survey compared to the non-events that followed the other press releases telling us the blatantly bloody obvious from the National Consumer Agency.

Well, there were a couple of days of hoo-haa, people shouted, there was gnashing of teeth, and general disquiet. And then, nothing. Nothing changed. No one did anything. Everything stayed the same. I’d have to agree with An Fear Bolg who commented on Pricewatch earlier today – “the NCA seems to be on a crazed campaign that may yield little or no results.”

So, we didn’t really need the National Consumer Agency to travel to Newry or Enniskillen or Banbridge to buy baskets of 42 items and compare their prices to the same 42 items bought in Rathfarnham, Blanchardstown and Finglas. This is the same useless regulator who has 70,000 calls to their complaints line in 2007, yet only made 7 prosecutions during that year.

The full details of this pointless research is available here if you want to read more.

There is some useful background information on the application of VAT and Excise rates both here and in Northern Ireland. There is also some interesting information on the differences in rates applied to different products covered in the survey. However, it should also be noted that the price comparisons were made after the exclusion of the impact of VAT and Excise rates.

I just have a few of observations:

  • On the same day as the fuckers* released their research results, it was revealed by the CSO that an average basket of goods costs 5% more in Dublin than it does in the rest of the country. All of the Northern based supermarkets chosen for this current research can easily be described as “country based” – Newry, Enniskillen and Banbridge. Yet all the supermarkets visited down here were Dublin based. I guess it’s reasonable to assume that a similar city (Belfast) vs country divide is just as applicable up there as it is down here. So, let’s assume we add 5% to the northern prices so that we’re comparing like (city = Belfast) with like (city = Dublin) – the “headline” figures from the National Consumer Agency now drop by 5%.
  • Now, let’s look at the price of wages down here compared to Northern Ireland. There’s no mention of this comparison of this in the National Consumer Agency report. Lets assume that the majority of employees in these stores on a fulltime basis are aged 22 and over. The minimum hourly wage in Ireland is, as of July 2007, €8.65 per hour. The equivalent national minimum wage in Northern Ireland is £5.52 per hour. That’s a Euro equivalent of €6.99. Therefore the cost of labour in Ireland is 24% more expensive than it is in Northern Ireland. I guess that’d be a good reason for things to be more expensive down here than up there.
  • What about the price of property – to either buy or rent? Do you think the cost of having a retail premises in Finglas, Blanchardstown or Rathfarnham is equivalent to having one in Banbridge, Enniskillen or Newry? If we look at house prices, which everyone is familiar with – a 4 bed, 2 bath detached house with garage in Newry would cost you upwards on €650k while a similar type house in Rathfarnham would cost you double that. A recent CBRE survey on the cost of renting office property showed that Belfast had a rate of €304 per sq metre, while Dublin had a rate of over twice that amount at $860 per sq metre. And on top of that, our comparison shops up north are based in areas there are probably even cheaper to rent – and all in a market where rental rates are falling in the north, while they’re pretty stable down here, over the past 12 months. Again, a legitimate reason for prices to be more expensive down here.
However, we also know that Irish shoppers are more strongly tied to branded items than many of our European neighbours, and as such, we will naturally pay a premium for wanting these branded items. But that’s our choice – we’re not forced to buy these items, but we like them and we chose to.

I’ve written many times before about this whole euro sterling pricing differential, and each time my message is the same – no matter what retailers or regulators or governments are telling us, the one main factor that will in the long term influence the prices is the shopping behaviour we ourselves follow.

Irish based retailers will claim that the cost of doing business in Ireland is what causes the price differential we all know and see. While not trying to become an advocate for these businesses, I think that above 3 examples show how this can be somewhat justified.

Shouldn’t this type of information also have formed the basis of the research these fuckers* are carrying out in order to give us the full picture of what’s going on and the reasons behind the price differentials.

Unfortunately, we already know that all this is going to yield no results after the comments of John Shine, the NCA director of commercial practices “admitted there is little the organisation can do to help consumers get better value.” Well, apart from wasting time their time doing half arsed, incomplete and pointless research for crowd and press pleasing press releases.

NCA Grocery Price Survey – Nothing New

The NCA have launched their new grocery price survey today – their press release is here. The headline of the release is as follows:

The National Consumer Agency (NCA) has published the findings of its survey comparing grocery prices between Ireland’s multiples, symbol groups, discounters and independents shops. Among its main findings, the survey found:

  • Only 35 cent difference between Tesco and Dunnes Stores for basket of 61 branded goods
  • Supervalu providing competition to multiples
  • Real competition between Aldi and Lidl, providing an alternative in value to multiples and Supervalu for own brand products
  • Independent butchers, fruit and vegetable shops can provide real value
Sound familiar? It’s exactly the same as they announced in July 2007 – only this time enhanced by the research done by Value Ireland when we included Lidl and Aldi in the mix.

So, 6 months later, they’re coming out telling us nothing new whatsoever. You can give me their budget of whatever number of million euro per year, and I’ll tell you nothing new either – damn it, I’ll take half their budget and I’ll tell you nothing new every month.

NCA – can’t be arsed doing their jobs?

Back in July last year, we had some fun with the National Consumer Agency over their grocery price survey which excluded Aldi and Lidl. I was reminded this today by an article by Ian Kehoe in the Sunday Business Post, Focus on €14bn grocery trade.

A quote from the article goes as follows:

The National Consumer Agency (NCA) recently published a pilot study which found little difference in prices between the main supermarket chains. The agency described the similarity in prices as ‘‘worrying’’.


The NCA is currently carrying out a more comprehensive study on the issue, and is also investigating why customers pay more in supermarkets in the Republic than in the North or England. An NCA spokesman said the report would be published in the coming months.

Recently mind you is over 6 months ago. As far as I can tell from here, inflation in food prices is approaching 4% since then.

And when they originally did their survey, the comment at the time was as follows:

The survey is the first tranche of research into grocery prices carried out by the NCA and a further survey will take place towards the end of the year which will include non-branded goods available in multiple and symbol group retailers.

So, the NCA are using 6 month old research calling it “recent” and when they said they were going to do an updated survey, they still haven’t done it – over 2 months late as we stand now. In fairness, how hard can it be to go out and buy a few things in the supermarket?

What do these people do again? Look after the interests of Irish consumers? Exactly how?

The good and the bad of shopping in Lidl and Aldi


Thanks to Primal Sneeze for the link in the “Serious Rant” section of the links on the site. Some very interesting comments on Primal Sneeze and worth keeping track of. His current post A Shopping Un-list is interesting in the light of some of the coverage following our Lidl and Aldi addition to the NCA Grocery Survey.

While we did point out the fact that these two could be cheaper than the big 4, we also said that you may have to compromise on brands. Pricewatch coverage in the Irish Times mentioned the issue with the dodgy cornflakes – but as pointed out on Primal Sneeze, there are some fantastic products you can also get in both shops.

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